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有關到燕鷗島拍攝照片的討論 Discussion on Taking Photos at Tern Islands

有關到燕鷗島拍攝照片的討論 Discussion on Taking Photos at Tern Islands

Original Title: Black-naped Tern
原來標題:黑枕燕鷗


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[quote:6e2cba9cec="calan"]對不起,為免引人爭相仿效,
帶來干擾,已刪去雛鳥的照片。

想象一下:
如果有人登島亂闖,
嚇走親鳥,雛鳥會怎樣?

你贊成專登島嗎?


Sorry, photos of chicks have been removed to avoid attracting other people trying to do the same and bring disturbance.

Think about this:
What will happen to the chicks if someone lands on the island and scare the parents away?

Do you agree to "always land on tern islands?"[/quote]


其實果果朋友都知我唔會登島嫁啦...做咩?係都要人效忠先安樂..!!你說..為免引人爭相仿效:係唔係想叫人登島!!!現在大陸都會開放...你還現在才去燒書..我們的下一代連相都見唔到...重講咩!親眼見...就算親眼都唔知係咩啦..


其實你唔想人登島...找漁護處係冇用..他們有自己部門的工作..同你做牌我覺得以很比面...如果想做保育燕鷗..就要自己組團做..不要求其他人幫!!
1 自組費用..同D燕鷗落GPS
2 先向船家入手..要好實在做(比佢感到你係有決心的)
3 去所有香港所鈎魚用品公司推廣下

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[quote:3066982fed="cowen"]
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1 自組費用..同D燕鷗落GPS
2 先向船家入手..要好實在做(比佢感到你係有決心的)
3 去所有香港所鈎魚用品公司推廣下
1. GPS.. 閣下諗住無情情整個 gps 落燕鷗到有咩用途? track 佢既 migration 路線? track 幾耐? 個 gps 要有幾耐電池可以 last 幾耐? 最重要. 有咩 gps device 可以 last 好耐而又細到輕到可以裝落隻 tern 到? 留意下其他有落 gps 既雀鳥調查. 佢地既鳥種係咩先. tern 太細喇. 你想壓死佢乎. 你梗係未聽個有隻黑臉琵鷺長期咩住個發訊機攪到脊骨變型定喇.

2. 船家好成功喇. 去西貢行下. 有船家見你係影雀樣. 會問你影唔影燕鷗. 佢仲強調話過去數天經常車一個黑黑實實的四眼仔去島添. 佢地為左生意. 遲下可能出現塔門燕鷗團事件重現. 好在西貢 d tern 走得快.

3. 也是喇. 你未聽過. 那些磯釣人士. 因為全日食白果. 為免空手回. 就地取才向燕鷗埋手. 把牠們的蛋取走作紀念的故事喇.

做任何事. 要考慮好多因素架. 尤其保育. 更要係小心策劃, 要對受保育對象有一個長遠發展有得益既目標. 斷唔係我有錢. 諗到咩就做. 見到外國記錄片做咩. 我又跟住做. 外國環境唔同香港. 可以參考不可照搬. 對象更加係要睇清楚有咩唔同.

呢 d 野. 歡迎熱心. 但最終都係最好由專家們參與制定策略.

仲有. AFCD 係法定管理有關雀鳥保育事務的官方機構. 你做咩對雀仔既保育項目. 做時最好知會佢地. 當然最好由佢地幫手參與啦. 唔係犯左法你都唔知呀.[/quote]

1我唔想教醒你點玩,,GPS,,,因為你自已應為知好多..科技一日千里---你D好鬼0ut小朋友
2船家想做生意又關你咩事..可能有D人又辦friend引人說話..好可怕的性格
3連我都講唔掂,你地點講掂磯釣人士
4如果你真係做保育,就一定親力親為..唔好得把口!!!保育係長時間,唔係吹下水就掂,,你此要知會佢地.準唔準做就夠..因為我覺得AFCD永遠幫完你地D得把口保育人仕...都係冇好結果

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cowen:你仲去釣魚舖宣傳. 荒死人地唔知 d tern 返晒黎(你要知道釣魚人士比你們更知燕鷗在那裏...香港以外也知)
ssammy:我仍然覺得親眼見比睇相片更能感愛到大自然的可貴!
你們一個想唔比人知.一個又好想人親眼見...??唔比人知又點比人親眼見啊?

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[quote:e278d123e5="yvicky"][quote:e278d123e5="cfrankie"]cowen:你仲去釣魚舖宣傳. 荒死人地唔知 d tern 返晒黎(你要知道釣魚人士比你們更知燕鷗在那裏...香港以外也知)
ssammy:我仍然覺得親眼見比睇相片更能感愛到大自然的可貴!
你們一個想唔比人知.一個又好想人親眼見...??唔比人知又點比人親眼見啊?[/quote]

to cfrankie: 難道你睇唔出佢地2個人講o個2句野的分別?? 你睇唔出不如等我話你知啦:
唔俾人知.... 係唔想俾d有可能&有機會影響到燕鷗o既人知
俾人親眼見.... 係俾d對雀鳥對燕鷗有興趣o既人親眼見....
如果而家咁解釋你明唔明點解佢地2個人講o既野唔同但係冇矛盾呢?[/quote]
to yvicky
通常有機會影響到燕鷗o既人都會知
對雀鳥對燕鷗有興趣o既人大多都冇機會親眼見.... (E樣嘢就多得你地)

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[quote:6338afae77="yvicky"][quote:6338afae77="cfrankie"]
(E樣嘢就多得你地)[/quote]

這句我真的不懂.... 請闡釋之.... 願聞其詳...[/quote]
不懂:我講你知!!因為有一年有一位朋友帶我去睇燕鷗..後來又有另一班人又去...錦你們就致電罵我的朋友...但我不知你們為可罵他..他根本都唔知燕鷗島在什麼地方.求其找個人罵..而對另一班人來說...他們此要出碼頭就會有很多船家車佢地出去..所以我一直對你們的做事方式很不滿...為可要由你們決定人的好與不好...你們點知人們想什麼..為可要你們決定那些人去得睇...那些人不去得...就是這朋友的事件...我就知你們的做事有幾冇知!

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[quote:f7ce0af50a="cowen"][quote:f7ce0af50a="cfrankie"][quote:f7ce0af50a="yvicky"][quote:f7ce0af50a="cfrankie"]
(E樣嘢就多得你地)[/quote]

這句我真的不懂.... 請闡釋之.... 願聞其詳...[/quote]
不懂:我講你知!!因為有一年有一位朋友帶我去睇燕鷗..後來又有另一班人又去...錦你們就致電罵我的朋友...但我不知你們為可罵他..他根本都唔知燕鷗島在什麼地方.求其找個人罵..而對另一班人來說...他們此要出碼頭就會有很多船家車佢地出去..所以我一直對你們的做事方式很不滿...為可要由你們決定人的好與不好...你們點知人們想什麼..為可要你們決定那些人去得睇...那些人不去得...就是這朋友的事件...我就知你們的做事有幾冇知![/quote]

這事件好離奇. 有點匪疑所思. 好難想像鳥會會主動打電話去責罵人. 因為沒有這樣的權力也沒有這樣的必要. 以我所知鳥會一向奉行教育為先. 並不主將懲罰. 希望詳細說清楚.

其他的例如盡量把地點保密. 讓後代有機會親眼目睹等. 相信大部份觀鳥會會員也明白個中道理. 不需多加解釋. 你要強詞奪理把兩樣東西拉起來講我也沒你辦法.

至於你所指 "對雀鳥對燕鷗有興趣o既人大多都冇機會親眼見.... (E樣嘢就多得你地)"  

記憶中你很像也參加過鳥會的活動. 我所知鳥會的活動雖則是會員優先. 但仍然是公開給與公眾人仕參加. 包括每年燕鷗節的活動. 有心的絕對可以找到途徑. 你這樣的指控似乎流於太武斷吧.

btw. 你還未說說你的 GPS 大計究竟是作何用途. 由我第一個回覆到現在也不見閣下回答. 卻把船撐到出外海了. 就算要請槍. 也應該問到了吧.  :[/quote]
我唔想教你任何事...因為有Y思想的人不相接近..尤其双面人
你知道我參加過鳥會的活動就好辦..為何我還要去?自己反省下????
這事件好離奇. 有點匪疑所思. 好難想像鳥會會主動打電話去責罵人. 因為沒有這樣的權力也沒有這樣的必要(所以你們常背着鳥會之名..做的事常使人反感..巧果變得相反..可能鳥會也不知)

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I don't want to teach you anything ... because people with Y (crooked?) ideas don't come together ... especially those who wear two faces.

Now that you know I have taken part in the Society activities it's easier to explain... why I still visit tern islands?  Think about whats wrong on you part.

"It's strange - hard to imagine the Society would telephone to scold anyone.  We don't have the authority or necessity" (by Owen) - So you always do things that upset people in the name of the Society... you get the opposite effect ... perhaps the Society don't even know.


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[quote:5758347b86="cowen"][quote:5758347b86="cfrankie"][quote:5758347b86="cowen"][quote:5758347b86="cfrankie"][quote:5758347b86="yvicky"][quote:5758347b86="cfrankie"]
(E樣嘢就多得你地)[/quote]

這句我真的不懂.... 請闡釋之.... 願聞其詳...[/quote]
不懂:我講你知!!因為有一年有一位朋友帶我去睇燕鷗..後來又有另一班人又去...錦你們就致電罵我的朋友...但我不知你們為可罵他..他根本都唔知燕鷗島在什麼地方.求其找個人罵..而對另一班人來說...他們此要出碼頭就會有很多船家車佢地出去..所以我一直對你們的做事方式很不滿...為可要由你們決定人的好與不好...你們點知人們想什麼..為可要你們決定那些人去得睇...那些人不去得...就是這朋友的事件...我就知你們的做事有幾冇知![/quote]

這事件好離奇. 有點匪疑所思. 好難想像鳥會會主動打電話去責罵人. 因為沒有這樣的權力也沒有這樣的必要. 以我所知鳥會一向奉行教育為先. 並不主將懲罰. 希望詳細說清楚.

其他的例如盡量把地點保密. 讓後代有機會親眼目睹等. 相信大部份觀鳥會會員也明白個中道理. 不需多加解釋. 你要強詞奪理把兩樣東西拉起來講我也沒你辦法.

至於你所指 "對雀鳥對燕鷗有興趣o既人大多都冇機會親眼見.... (E樣嘢就多得你地)"  

記憶中你很像也參加過鳥會的活動. 我所知鳥會的活動雖則是會員優先. 但仍然是公開給與公眾人仕參加. 包括每年燕鷗節的活動. 有心的絕對可以找到途徑. 你這樣的指控似乎流於太武斷吧.

btw. 你還未說說你的 GPS 大計究竟是作何用途. 由我第一個回覆到現在也不見閣下回答. 卻把船撐到出外海了. 就算要請槍. 也應該問到了吧.  :[/quote]
我唔想教你任何事...因為有Y思想的人不相接近..尤其双面人
你知道我參加過鳥會的活動就好辦..為何我還要去?自己反省下????
這事件好離奇. 有點匪疑所思. 好難想像鳥會會主動打電話去責罵人. 因為沒有這樣的權力也沒有這樣的必要(所以你們常背着鳥會之名..做的事常使人反感..巧果變得相反..可能鳥會也不知)[/quote]

"你知道我參加過鳥會的活動就好辦..為何我還要去?自己反省下????"
不用廣東話不能夠表達我的疑惑. 你夠竟講緊乜呀?[/quote]
你唔明...你睇睇燕鷗版D相..影得好小小果D有幾多個係跟鳥會的活動影.全部Big Crop冇Crop就意外一兩次...鳥會的活動次次見D位都好似粒米錦...同冇去冇分別

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You don't understand ... look at the photos posted at the Terns sub-forum ... how many of those better ones were taken during the Society's outings.  All are extensively cropped.  Photos with no cropping appear only once in a while. .. You always see birds as small as a grain at Society outings... no different from not going.

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[quote:f00d0cd970="cowen"][quote:f00d0cd970="cfrankie"][quote:f00d0cd970="cowen"][quote:f00d0cd970="cfrankie"][quote:f00d0cd970="cowen"][quote:f00d0cd970="cfrankie"][quote:f00d0cd970="yvicky"][quote:f00d0cd970="cfrankie"]
(E樣嘢就多得你地)[/quote]

這句我真的不懂.... 請闡釋之.... 願聞其詳...[/quote]
不懂:我講你知!!因為有一年有一位朋友帶我去睇燕鷗..後來又有另一班人又去...錦你們就致電罵我的朋友...但我不知你們為可罵他..他根本都唔知燕鷗島在什麼地方.求其找個人罵..而對另一班人來說...他們此要出碼頭就會有很多船家車佢地出去..所以我一直對你們的做事方式很不滿...為可要由你們決定人的好與不好...你們點知人們想什麼..為可要你們決定那些人去得睇...那些人不去得...就是這朋友的事件...我就知你們的做事有幾冇知![/quote]

這事件好離奇. 有點匪疑所思. 好難想像鳥會會主動打電話去責罵人. 因為沒有這樣的權力也沒有這樣的必要. 以我所知鳥會一向奉行教育為先. 並不主將懲罰. 希望詳細說清楚.

其他的例如盡量把地點保密. 讓後代有機會親眼目睹等. 相信大部份觀鳥會會員也明白個中道理. 不需多加解釋. 你要強詞奪理把兩樣東西拉起來講我也沒你辦法.

至於你所指 "對雀鳥對燕鷗有興趣o既人大多都冇機會親眼見.... (E樣嘢就多得你地)"  

記憶中你很像也參加過鳥會的活動. 我所知鳥會的活動雖則是會員優先. 但仍然是公開給與公眾人仕參加. 包括每年燕鷗節的活動. 有心的絕對可以找到途徑. 你這樣的指控似乎流於太武斷吧.

btw. 你還未說說你的 GPS 大計究竟是作何用途. 由我第一個回覆到現在也不見閣下回答. 卻把船撐到出外海了. 就算要請槍. 也應該問到了吧.  :[/quote]
我唔想教你任何事...因為有Y思想的人不相接近..尤其双面人
你知道我參加過鳥會的活動就好辦..為何我還要去?自己反省下????
這事件好離奇. 有點匪疑所思. 好難想像鳥會會主動打電話去責罵人. 因為沒有這樣的權力也沒有這樣的必要(所以你們常背着鳥會之名..做的事常使人反感..巧果變得相反..可能鳥會也不知)[/quote]

"你知道我參加過鳥會的活動就好辦..為何我還要去?自己反省下????"
不用廣東話不能夠表達我的疑惑. 你夠竟講緊乜呀?[/quote]
你唔明...你睇睇燕鷗版D相..影得好小小果D有幾多個係跟鳥會的活動影.全部Big Crop冇Crop就意外一兩次...鳥會的活動次次見D位都好似粒米錦...同冇去冇分別[/quote]

噢.. 明晒. 原來又係嫌影得唔靚.  :  :  : 明喇..!!! 掂呀~![/quote]
你記住‘我不是紀綠員..但係你地D出名做紀綠的...就偏偏做小左五隻,,唔好問我係咩?我唔會答双面人.

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Owen: Oh! I see it now.  You are not satisfied with the photos. :  :  : Very clear !!! Good ~!
Remember: "I am not a record keeper, but the the one who is famous for keeping records has counted 5 birds less.  Don't ask me what it is? I won't reply to two-faces".


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[quote:e1e1130656="lyukpong"][quote:e1e1130656="cfrankie"]
你唔明...你睇睇燕鷗版D相..影得好小小果D有幾多個係跟鳥會的活動影.全部Big Crop冇Crop就意外一兩次...鳥會的活動次次見D位都好似粒米錦...同冇去冇分別[/quote]
難道影得不夠好就是你不支持 " 不登島 " 的原因 ?
太可怕了 .........[/quote]
原來你覺得上島先有好相..話左冇知就真係冇知!!!!

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lyukpong: You don't support "No landing" because you can't get good photos?  It's appalling ....
So you think that good photos can only be taken by landing on the islands ... so naive!!!!


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[quote:eb9cf5ba22="cAndy"]
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你唔明...你睇睇燕鷗版D相..影得好小小果D有幾多個係跟鳥會的活動影.全部Big Crop冇Crop就意外一兩次...鳥會的活動次次見D位都好似粒米錦...同冇去冇分別
說到底就是要靚相, 不理一切...  :cry:[/quote]

為什麽你們覺影到好相就是...不理一切.的人 :小朋友就是小朋友
以上三個post就是你們對我們的態度...你們明啦

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cAndy: To sum up - taking good photos at all costs ... :cry:
Why you think that people who take good photos are inconsiderate - kids remain kids
The above three posts show how you look at us ... understand


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[quote:610dacde41="mkoren"]Thank you to the Moderator for the translations.

I must admit that I find it quite shocking that anyone would put the birds welfare in danger just for the sake of taking some photos. The whole point of the HKBWS is to study, observe and preserve the birds. Who cares if it isn't possible to take a close-up photo! The welfare of the birds should come before the desire to take photos, or even the desire to get a close-up view. If all you can see is a small image through the binoculars, well, that's good enough for me if it means that the birds are undisturbed at their nests.

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謝謝管理員翻譯。

有人為了拍幾張照片而威脅到雀鳥的福利(安全、健康地正常生活),實在令我感到震驚。
成立香港觀鳥會的目的,是要研究、觀察和保育鳥類,誰會介意拍不到近攝照!
鳥類的福利應該放在最高位置,比拍照的意欲優先,或甚至比近距離觀察的意欲優先。
只要不干擾到巢中的鳥,就算只能從雙筒望遠鏡中見到小小的一點,對我來說已經足夠。


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我想問(有人)是指誰?

我同意成立香港觀鳥會的目的,是要研究、觀察和保育鳥類,誰會介意拍不到近攝照!
鳥類的福利應該放在最高位置,比拍照的意欲優先,或甚至比近距離觀察的意欲優先。

但是未清楚或唔明人們什樣拍攝或未到其他人的拍攝技巧..就說三導四..實在有點那過..

你們的立詳我以很清色不要再說:
就是可能全世界生態攝影師拍得好相片的都是破壞同不會愛護生態
這個信息我發放給我所有世界各地的朋友知...因為他們很有代表性...信息來自香一些人..
我不會再答..算把啦!!

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I would like to ask who is this "anyone"?

I agree that "the whole point of the HKBWS is to study, observe and preserve the birds. Who cares if it isn't possible to take a close-up photo! The welfare of the birds should come before the desire to take photos, or even the desire to get a close-up view."

However, it seems inappropriate to make comments before knowing or understaning how people take photos, or before attaining other people's level of photographic skill.

There is no need to state your position again - I am very clear about that :
That perhaps all wildlife photographers in the world who can take good photos would damage and would not value the environment,

I will tell all my friends all over the world - they are representative (of ?) - and that the message comes from some people in Hong Kong.

I won't respond again.  That's it!!


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一些人,,,真的好可害,未得本人同意就同我改標題,,,果然係好愛抹黑一些事的人..這樣做法..會使人以為我是提出討論的人...果然真係愛玩白夑克的人,,,鳥會有這些人在實在可怕....你自已以証嗚了...不要再話係我改

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Some people are really ??? - changing the title of this post without getting my agreement.  So they truly like to make things look bad..  Such act makes people think it was me who started the discussion... So they like to change white into black,,, It's scary to have such people in the Society ... You yourself is the evidence ... don't say it's me who changed it

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