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米埔參觀團有感 Noisy Mai Po Tours
« on: Dec 14th, 2004, 1:34am » |
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話說今日小弟匿係米埔三層鳥屋等雀...
其間有兩團學生來參觀
Today, I was waiting inside the 3-story birdhide for some birds. During my stay, 2 groups of students visited the birdhide.
第一團係中學生，有男有女，未見其人..先聞其聲...
基本上係嘈到拆天。入到鳥屋後..上左二/三樓。
WWF 導遊就開始叫人唔好嘈..再幾大聲咁講下出面有乜鳥...(D 鳥避晒係池的另一邊啦..連屋邊樹上面d 白頭鵯都走夾唔頭)
搞左一輪..就走左。除左HE HE HA HA....唔知有無留心過導遊講乜。
The first group was secondary school students made up of boys and girls. They spoke to each other loudly, I heard them when they were on the footpath. They entered the birdhide after a while and went up to 2nd /3rd floor. The WWF guide started to ask the students to keep quiet and introduced the habitat and birds quite loudly. (Of course, most birds were on the far side of the pond, even the Chinese Bulbul fed on trees nearby flew away)
5-10 minutes later, they left in a noisy way. The students chat between each other throughout the visit and I wondered how many of them DID listen to the WWF guide.
第二團係小學生，佢地入黎之前剛剛有一隻黑臉琵鷺係鳥屋前覓食，距離約15-20� 怴C
我正在門邊的窗口拍攝，當一位WWF 女導遊推門入黎的時間，我輕輕聲"SHHH"佢地。
D 小朋友都一齊SHHH....開始靜靜咁入黎。但係個女導遊就好大聲..係好大聲咁同未 入黎D 學生講："你地要靜D 呀！" ....我己經打個突...
The second group was primary students, boys and girls. Right before they came in the hide, a BFS was feeding close to the birdhide. (15-20 meters) I was shooting next to the door, so I signaled the Female WWF guide and the leading students to keep quiet by "shhhhhh"ing them. The kids definitely knew what was going on and they came in quietly. BUT, the female WWF guide turned around and SHOUTED to the following students "YOU HAVE TO KEEP QUIET!!!" I was shocked!!!
跟住我指俾D 小朋友睇有黑臉琵鷺，D 小朋友梗係好開心想睇一睇啦...
個女導遊係樓梯口再大聲咁叫" 同學好上二樓啦！"...(我開始滴汗)....
I then showed the kids there was a BFS out there, they were very excited and want to peep thru the windows.
BUT then, the WWF guide SHOUTED again "PLEASE MOVE UP TO 2ND FLOOR!!!".....(Ok...I am "amazed"....)
好啦..D 小朋友上晒去二/三樓啦..咁梗會少少嘈..但係都算細聲。至少隻黑臉琵鷺仲係度� C
呢個時間.....女導遊又突然喝罵"你地唔好再嘈啦！好收聲啦！"
唔講由自可....佢一出聲...隻黑臉琵鷺即刻被嚇走....XDDDDDDD
可惜...個女導遊唔覺得自己大聲..仲即刻好凶咁話"見唔見到隻黑臉琵鷺飛過，就 係你地嘈走左佢。再嘈就唔準睇即刻走"
之後如是者又係好大聲咁介紹下D 雀......呢團就走左...
由始至終....最嘈都係個...女導遊...唔知佢以前係唔係...教書架呢.......XDDD D
After the kids moved up to 2nd/3rd floor, some noise were expected but the level was acceptable as the BFS was still feeding out there.
ALL in a SUDDEN, the guide SHOUTED again "Stop talking, KEEP QUIET!!". As soon as she shouted, the BFS fled in a hurry.
Unfortuantely, the guide didn't feel any bad, she SHOUTED again in anger " Look at that BFS, it left because YOU STUDENTS are too noisy, if you don't stop talking, we will leave immediately"
Then, the guide stated to introduce the habitat and birds LOUDLY..........
The point is........the tour guide was definitely the one who made most of the noise......while she didn't really realize...
其實...呢D 團對有心的人黎講梗係好好啦..
但係遇著D無心睇，掛住自己玩又嘈既中學生有無用呢？ 會唔會浪費D QUOTA?
又或都有心睇..遇著個大聲惡導遊....咁又會唔會影響左大眾(尤其係小朋友)對保 育的印像呢？
In fact, the Mai Po tours are very good for those who are interested. This provides a precious opportunity for general public to know what conservation is like.
However, if the participants don't really interested in conservation, e.g. secondary students, who treat the tour a way to stay away from classes on weekday, played among themselves and made nosies. Will it be a WASTE to the visit Quota?
In contrast, what if the participants are interested but they run in a tour guide who is bad tempered/impatient/noisy? Will this affect the particiapnts's impression (esp. children) to conservation efforts?!
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Re: 米埔參觀團有感
« Reply #1 on: Dec 14th, 2004, 2:33am » |
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我有點緊張, 我已請了三天假入米埔..... 
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Re: 米埔參觀團有感
« Reply #2 on: Dec 14th, 2004, 9:06am » |
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我上次成千隻雀飛走咪又係WWF d小姐   ,到現在都唔明點解穿高跟鞋要行木橋唔行出面石屎路,佢走後仲大大聲同其他� H講:"呢!果個人亞"........
on Dec 14th, 2004, 2:33am, isaac_chan wrote:| 我有點緊張, 我已請了三天假入米埔..... |
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聽士多阿伯講星期三是沒有團的,不過可能有工程,
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Re: 米埔參觀團有感
« Reply #4 on: Dec 14th, 2004, 1:10pm » |
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on Dec 14th, 2004, 10:25am, 深藍 Owen wrote:
You put my message in English, I will put the message there. 
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Re: 米埔參觀團有感 Noisy Mai Po Tours
« Reply #5 on: Dec 14th, 2004, 1:36pm » |
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reply in Chinese loh. tell them translation service not provide... they should hv chinese staff understand chinese lah.
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Re: 米埔參觀團有感 Noisy Mai Po Tours
« Reply #6 on: Dec 15th, 2004, 7:32pm » |
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Conservation is important in a nature reserve but education is also important although there maybe dilemma/conflict in between, it is important to make a balance.
Mai Po Nature Reserve is a place for both conservation and education. To balance these, only part of the area (AFCD path, tower hide, EC) is opened for most visits, some (floating boardwalk) for selected visits, and some (southern part) are purely for nature conservation.
Education is a life long process. Successful environmental education is not only foster the knowledge but also enhance positive change of people's attitude and behaviour. Education should never involve selection of targets in terms of their background, level, even attitude. In addition, the reserve / nature is not only owned by the people who appreciate / care of it, but owed by all people. Please do take part in helping educate people and hopefully to have one day that energy will not spent in controlling the undisciplined crowd but in working with people to take part in conservation works instead. Of course, things could not be done within short period of time. But there is a group of people who work hard everyday to manage the reserve and educate our future generations to be a responsible citizen. 
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Re: 米埔參觀團有感 Noisy Mai Po Tours
« Reply #7 on: Dec 15th, 2004, 9:21pm » |
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聽到多米的報告，心中著實有點不快。
可以想像，要那群喋喋不休的中學生閉嘴實在不容易。如果他們無心參觀或聽講， 導遊或者可以暫時停止活動，約法三章，讓學生學會尊重保護區的規矩，這是基本 的公民教育。
對小學生來說，或許一些課堂管理技巧會有點幫助。
不知我們的南生圍資深義務導遊 Sze 有沒有一點心得可以分享呢? 
It is sad to hear Dominic's noisy story.
I can image the difficulty of controlling a group of chatty teenagers. Perhaps more discipline could have been exercised, e.g. by suspending the tour temporarily until the students understand how they should behave themselves. This is good civic education: everyone should learn to respect the rules in a nature reserve.
For the primary students, perhaps some training on classroom management techniques might help.
As a veteran volunteer guide at NSW, does Sze have any points to share with us?
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Re: 米埔參觀團有感 Noisy Mai Po Tours
« Reply #8 on: Dec 15th, 2004, 10:31pm » |
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on Dec 14th, 2004, 1:34am, me_domchan wrote:第一團係中學生，有男有女，未見其人..先聞其聲...
基本上係嘈到拆天。入到鳥屋後..上左二/三樓。
WWF 導遊就開始叫人唔好嘈..再幾大聲咁講下出面有乜鳥...(D 鳥避晒係池的另一邊啦..連屋邊樹上面d 白頭鵯都走夾唔頭)
搞左一輪..就走左。除左HE HE HA HA....唔知有無留心過導遊講
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好遺憾，依家d中學生一得閒就淨係識去唱K，打機，上網ICQ，一大班人HEHEHAHA去行街，或者瞓覺，個個都唔肯去行公園，觀鳥，行山等欣賞大自然ge活動。就算去都係一大班人HEHEHAHA去o個種。（其實連大學生都係咁。）
似乎香港學生需要更多有關大自然ge教育，最好係出去行吓，唔係淨係靠咪書o黎 學大自然ge野。（依家ge中學教育係咁） 
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Re: 米埔參觀團有感 Noisy Mai Po Tours
« Reply #10 on: Dec 15th, 2004, 10:46pm » |
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on Dec 15th, 2004, 9:21pm, 鳥友Ａ(BWA) wrote:| 可以想像，要那群喋喋不休的中學生閉嘴實在不容易。如果他們無心參觀或聽講，導遊或者可以暫時停止活動，約法三章，讓學生學會尊重保護區的規矩，這是基本的公民教育。 |
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其實平日上堂學生已是這樣的... 老師亦常用這方法令學生安靜，只是 没什麼效。（5分鐘後學生們依舊在喧嘩)
至於公民教育，可能還要很久才能令他們學懂這些了... （從近幾年平安夜／大除夕文化中心外發生的事便可見。） 
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Re: 米埔參觀團有感 Noisy Mai Po Tours
« Reply #11 on: Dec 15th, 2004, 10:51pm » |
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BWA mentions "For the primary students, perhaps some training on classroom management techniques might help."
From my observation a busload of students is often separated into small "manageable" groups, each of these small groups SHOULD have at least one school teacher, school teachers are better trained at controlling rowdy children than the young WWF guides.
eshek mentions "Please do take part in helping educate people and hopefully to have one day that energy will not spent in controlling the undisciplined crowd but in working with people to take part in conservation works instead"
In my opinion the HKBWS, its members and this BBS are doing their very best to promote conservation
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Re: 米埔參觀團有感 Noisy Mai Po Tours
« Reply #12 on: Dec 15th, 2004, 10:57pm » |
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on Dec 15th, 2004, 10:44pm, 深藍 Owen wrote:| 我反而覺得o個位小學生的導遊要檢討檢討.. 其他既. 唔好講米埔, 週街 d 都係咁, 慣. 冇乜感覺了... |
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呢個呀... 見呢件事已經post o左上 《歡迎就米埔的管理發表意見》果度，希望WWF會睇同埋跟進...
似乎WWF需要請d更有水準ge導遊，或者俾多d培訓佢地...
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Re: 米埔參觀團有感 Noisy Mai Po Tours
« Reply #13 on: Dec 15th, 2004, 11:06pm » |
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on Dec 15th, 2004, 10:44pm, 深藍 Owen wrote:
on Dec 15th, 2004, 10:51pm, bjingbar wrote:
... school teachers are better trained at controlling rowdy children than the young WWF guides.
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on Dec 15th, 2004, 10:57pm, little_dolphin wrote:
英雄所見略同，其實我說的「課堂管理技巧」就是要給導遊的。
We share the same view - the “training on classroom management techniques”were intended for the tour guides.
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