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Dove ID ? Please.
« on: Oct 9th, 2006, 6:10pm »

Got these shots of a Dove in Lamma, wondering if it is just a juvenile Spotted Dove or immature Red Turtle Dove or else ?  
 
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Re: Dove ID ? Please.
« Reply #1 on: Oct 10th, 2006, 7:41am »

This is a Red Turtle Dove - it is too grey for Spotted.
 
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Re: Dove ID ? Please.
« Reply #2 on: Oct 10th, 2006, 8:46am »

on Oct 9th, 2006, 6:10pm, HarryLi wrote:
Got these shots of a Dove in Lamma, wondering if it is just a juvenile Spotted Dove or immature Red Turtle Dove or else ?  

Hi Harry,
 
Please don't forget to mention the date of your photo.
 
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« Reply #3 on: Oct 10th, 2006, 10:30am »

Sorry, I am new here.  Date added.  
 
Mike, thanks for your confirmation.  Actually, it was the eye colour of this bird that makes me think that it is a Red Turtle Dove.  Was it actually a clue as well ??
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« Reply #4 on: Oct 10th, 2006, 8:15pm »

Mike, Could it possibly be a Collared Dove
 
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« Reply #5 on: Oct 10th, 2006, 10:03pm »

Primaries and tail pattern fit an Oriental Turtle Dove, possibly a 1st winter bird, as there appears to be only a small patch on the neck.
 
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 11th, 2006, 12:18am »

While this bird shows SOME of the features of both the species mentioned it shows ALL the features of Red Turtle Dove.
 
OTD has a scalloped rufous pattern on right across while this bird is uniform grey. This bird has a black collar. OTD has a more complex pattern on the neck spots, which do not join on the back of the neck , or none at al in young birds
 
Collared Dove, as your pic shows very nicely, is a much longer-tailed species.
 
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« Reply #7 on: Oct 11th, 2006, 10:58am »

In addition Oriental Turtle Dove would also show broad white tips to all the tail feathers; this bird has unmarked central tail feathers. Collared Dove would never show rufous fringes to the primaries like this bird.  This is certainly a juvenile Red Turtle Dove.
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« Reply #8 on: Oct 12th, 2006, 3:39pm »

Thanks all for the identifications tips. Its a shame we can't catalogue all this tips and have them readily available of the BBS
 
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« Reply #9 on: Oct 12th, 2006, 10:38pm »

I will have to check out my Oriental Turtle Doves more carefully!  As well as any pics I am looking at on the net!
 
 After I posted my remarks I saw plenty of Oriental Turtle Doves that day and realized I was wrong!  
 
I fit were an Oriental turtle Dove it would as Paul said show white on all the tail feathers, have more scalloped reddish-brown feathering on the coverts etc. and have a more developed black and white patterned neck patch (and not collar) as well as being brownish and not greyish in coloration overall.    
 
Still, got a better explanation from Mike and Paul!
 
Sorry for causing any confusion!
 
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