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        Discussion Area 討論區 >> Bird Identification 鳥類辨識 >>  Dove ID ? Please.
        
(Message started by: HarryLi on Oct 9^th, 2006, 6:10pm)

Title: Dove ID ? Please.
Post by HarryLi on Oct 9^th, 2006, 6:10pm

Got these shots of a Dove in Lamma, wondering if it is just a juvenile Spotted Dove or immature Red Turtle Dove or else ?

Lamma Island
08/10/06

Thanks

http://www.dimension5.com.hk/Up_load/Post/D2X/RTDove1.jpg

http://www.dimension5.com.hk/Up_load/Post/D2X/RTDove3.jpg

http://www.dimension5.com.hk/Up_load/Post/D2X/RTDove4.jpg

Title: Re: Dove ID ? Please.
Post by Mike Kilburn on Oct 10^th, 2006, 7:41am

This is a Red Turtle Dove - it is too grey for Spotted.

Cheers
Mike K

Title: Re: Dove ID ? Please.
Post by Forrest FONG on Oct 10^th, 2006, 8:46am

on 10/09/06 at 18:10:30, HarryLi wrote:

Got these shots of a Dove in Lamma, wondering if it is just a juvenile Spotted Dove or immature Red Turtle Dove or else ?

Hi Harry,

Please don't forget to mention the date of your photo.

Forrest 8)

Title: Re: Dove ID ? Please.
Post by HarryLi on Oct 10^th, 2006, 10:30am

Sorry, I am new here. Date added.

Mike, thanks for your confirmation. Actually, it was the eye colour of this bird that makes me think that it is a Red Turtle Dove. Was it actually a clue as well ??

Title: Re: Dove ID ? Please.
Post by Bob Thompson on Oct 10^th, 2006, 8:15pm

Mike, Could it possibly be a Collared Dove

http://www.hkbws.org.hk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=PhotoGallery;action=display;num=1159853241

Title: Re: Dove ID ? Please.
Post by Japanbirder on Oct 10^th, 2006, 10:03pm

Primaries and tail pattern fit an Oriental Turtle Dove, possibly a 1st winter bird, as there appears to be only a small patch on the neck.

Sean
Hiroshima

Title: Re: Dove ID ? Please.
Post by Mike Kilburn on Oct 11^th, 2006, 12:18am

While this bird shows SOME of the features of both the species mentioned it shows ALL the features of Red Turtle Dove.

OTD has a scalloped rufous pattern on right across while this bird is uniform grey. This bird has a black collar. OTD has a more complex pattern on the neck spots, which do not join on the back of the neck , or none at al in young birds

Collared Dove, as your pic shows very nicely, is a much longer-tailed species.

Cheers

Mike K

Title: Re: Dove ID ? Please.
Post by Paul Leader on Oct 11^th, 2006, 10:58am

In addition Oriental Turtle Dove would also show broad white tips to all the tail feathers; this bird has unmarked central tail feathers. Collared Dove would never show rufous fringes to the primaries like this bird. This is certainly a juvenile Red Turtle Dove.

Title: Re: Dove ID ? Please.
Post by Bob Thompson on Oct 12^th, 2006, 3:39pm

Thanks all for the identifications tips. Its a shame we can't catalogue all this tips and have them readily available of the BBS

Bob

Title: Re: Dove ID ? Please.
Post by Japanbirder on Oct 12^th, 2006, 10:38pm

I will have to check out my Oriental Turtle Doves more carefully! As well as any pics I am looking at on the net!

After I posted my remarks I saw plenty of Oriental Turtle Doves that day and realized I was wrong!

I fit were an Oriental turtle Dove it would as Paul said show white on all the tail feathers, have more scalloped reddish-brown feathering on the coverts etc. and have a more developed black and white patterned neck patch (and not collar) as well as being brownish and not greyish in coloration overall.

Still, got a better explanation from Mike and Paul!

Sorry for causing any confusion!

Sean