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(Message started by: ²`ÂÅ Owen on Jan 2^nd, 2006, 10:57am)

Title: Ãö©ó"¹q°Ê°³Ê" ½Ð¤j®aÀ°À°¤â¡@Powered Parachute at NSW
Post by ²`ÂÅ Owen on Jan 2^nd, 2006, 10:57am

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Title: Re: Ãö©ó"¹q°Ê°³Ê" ½Ð¤j®aÀ°À°¤â
Post by ²`ÂÅ Owen on Jan 2^nd, 2006, 5:08pm

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Title: Re: Ãö©ó"¹q°Ê°³Ê" ½Ð¤j®aÀ°À°¤â
Post by ²`ÂÅ Owen on Jan 2^nd, 2006, 8:05pm

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Title: Re: Ãö©ó"¹q°Ê°³Ê" ½Ð¤j®aÀ°À°¤â
Post by Webcreeper on Jan 2^nd, 2006, 8:41pm

on 01/02/06 at 20:05:21, ²`ÂÅ Owen wrote:

follow up from my friend..

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Title: Re: Ãö©ó"¹q°Ê°³Ê" ½Ð¤j®aÀ°À°¤â¡@Powered Parachute
Post by ²`ÂÅ Owen on Jan 2^nd, 2006, 8:54pm

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Title: Re: Ãö©ó"¹q°Ê°³Ê" ½Ð¤j®aÀ°À°¤â¡@Powered Parachute
Post by Webcreeper on Jan 2^nd, 2006, 9:11pm

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The Hong Kong Paragliding Association (HKPA) is the governing body of all paragliding activities in Hong Kong, licenced to undertake paragliding activities at selected sites and responsible towards government, police civil aviation department and site owners for regulating paragliding activities.

Anyone undertaking paragliding activities within the territory of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region is required to possess a HKPA pilot license or an overseas pilot license that the HKPA can recognize. Residents of Hong Kong who habitually fly in Hong Kong must belong to the HKPA. Visitors from foreign locations are required to contact an HKPA official before undertaking any paragliding activity. Especially important -it's a legal requirement- is that visiting pilots possess 3rd party insurance coverage valid in Hong Kong. HKPA can arrange temporary insurance coverage for visiting pilots who require.

Title: Re: Ãö©ó"¹q°Ê°³Ê" ½Ð¤j®aÀ°À°¤â¡@Powered Parachute
Post by Sze on Jan 3^rd, 2006, 12:55am

on 01/02/06 at 20:54:04, ²`ÂÅ Owen wrote:

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Title: Re: Ãö©ó"¹q°Ê°³Ê" ½Ð¤j®aÀ°À°¤â¡@Powered Parachute
Post by kumanfai on Jan 4^th, 2006, 7:17pm

Hi, Owen.

I tried to read the quoted reference but it is not about parachuting. It only mentions balloons, kites and model (toy) planes. Probably we need to search for the right regulations and laws to identify the right authority for effective reporting. >:(

Of course I will join force to stop the "intrusion". I saw it on Jan 1 just before I was going to leave TBT and did not notice its effect. :-[

on 01/02/06 at 10:57:29, ²`ÂÅ Owen wrote:

Title: Re: Ãö©ó"¹q°Ê°³Ê" ½Ð¤j®aÀ°À°¤â¡@Powered Parachute
Post by kumanfai on Jan 4^th, 2006, 10:16pm

Hi, Owen.

I further checked the site guide of the HKPA and confirmed that their recommended sites do not include TBT and in fact western NT.

http://www.hkpa.net/guide.htm

Can HKBWS report our observation to HKPA and ask for their help to enforce their policy?

Title: Re: Ãö©ó"¹q°Ê°³Ê" ½Ð¤j®aÀ°À°¤â¡@Powered Parachute
Post by kumanfai on Jan 4^th, 2006, 11:41pm

To start with, the parachute may be classified as an aircraft (self launching motor glider):

http://www.legislation.gov.hk/blis_ind.nsf/E1BF50C09A33D3DC482564840019D2F4/C64D82C6EC5C1EF1482568DB000BDE89?OpenDocument

Next, flight restrictions apply to "Prohibition Areas" designated by the Director-General of Civil Aviation. We can check if TBT is (hopefully) within the Prohibition Area:

http://www.legislation.gov.hk/blis_ind.nsf/e1bf50c09a33d3dc482564840019d2f4/2ab3662296cd62714825696200325a90?OpenDocument

Another hope is that TBT is within the airport control zone:

http://www.legislation.gov.hk/blis_ind.nsf/E1BF50C09A33D3DC482564840019D2F4/7D0F42CD04BA539548256593000ACBE3?OpenDocument

Unfortunately, I could not find any regulations forbidding the act in the Rules of the Air:

http://www.legislation.gov.hk/blis_ind.nsf/E1BF50C09A33D3DC482564840019D2F4/C533DDB05E200257482568DB000BDE97?OpenDocument

The above are just layman attempts to the problem. Hope some specialists in the area will enlighten us soon. ::)

Title: Re: Ãö©ó"¹q°Ê°³Ê" ½Ð¤j®aÀ°À°¤â¡@Powered Parachute
Post by Bob Thompson on Jan 5^th, 2006, 9:47am

I suggest an email directly to the Director General of Civil Avaition, asking him to clarify the situation include with it any wide shot photos showing the location and the powered machine.

PS

Apparently the Director General is on leave but the email could go to his Deputy

Mr. LO Shung Man, Norman, AE, JP Dir-Gen of Civil Aviation/on leave 2867 4201
nsmlo@cad.gov.hk

Mr. LEUNG Yu Keung Dep Dir-Gen Civil Aviation/Ag. DGCA 2867 4202
ykleung@cad.gov.hk

Title: Re: Ãö©ó"¹q°Ê°³Ê" ½Ð¤j®aÀ°À°¤â¡@Powered Parachute
Post by ²`ÂÅ Owen on Jan 5^th, 2006, 10:16am

according to the information from my friend who always work with Aviation dept who got the following understanding from Chek Lap Kok Aviation Control:

1, Confirmed that there is NO application about any flying transport activities in Nam Sang Wai or Tsim Bei Tsui that day.

2, For Nam Sang Wai and Tsim BEi Tsui both are not under those approved parachute activities area.

3, Any kind of Flying transport should have proper communication equipment contact with Aviation Dept to provent any conflict to HK air transport.

4. For sure any kind of machinery transport must have approved license from transportation dept. Even you put a small motor on your bicycle you break the HK rules.

Thus, that guy is 100% break the rules. We need to explain to those Mr. Policeman about that next time and don't let them make any excuse not to take action.

Title: Re: Ãö©ó"¹q°Ê°³Ê" ½Ð¤j®aÀ°À°¤â¡@Powered Parachute
Post by kumanfai on Jan 5^th, 2006, 11:33pm

We need a wider audience and coordinated effort here. I suggest to place this thread under the Birding Report Forum to achieve the purpose.

Title: Re: Ãö©ó"¹q°Ê°³Ê" ½Ð¤j®aÀ°À°¤â¡@Powered Parachute
Post by Webcreeper on Jan 5^th, 2006, 11:50pm

Thanks Kumanfai for the research!

I think we have got enough info. to write to the government and demand a clarification. I will draft something over the weekend and ask everyone to fill in some blanks (witnesses, time, details, etc.). The letter will be emailed to the officials suggested by Bob. Their reply will be posted here.

I think this section (Conservation) is the right place for this topic, and we have drawn some useful discussion already.

Regards,
Webcreeper

Title: Re: Ãö©ó"¹q°Ê°³Ê" ½Ð¤j®aÀ°À°¤â¡@Powered Parachute
Post by Webcreeper on Jan 9^th, 2006, 10:29pm

Here's the draft email. Any comments are welcome. Anyone who witnessed the event may send your name to me by private message, for incorporation into the letter. Thanks!

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Title: Re: Ãö©ó"¹q°Ê°³Ê" ½Ð¤j®aÀ°À°¤â¡@Powered Parachute
Post by Webcreeper on Jan 25^th, 2006, 9:46pm

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The HKBWS Conservation Committee have emailed to the Director-General of Civil Aviation to enquire about the issue. The results will be posted here when we get the reply.

on 01/25/06 at 21:46:50, Webcreeper wrote:

Webcreeper! Thanks again! :)

Webcreeper,

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The reply from Civil Aviation Department is summarized and translated as below:

- Powered Paraglider is considered as a Power Driven Flying Machine which is under the control of Civil Aviation Ordinance.

- Driving Powered Paraglider within HK must have a proper license and the machine should be registered.  Otherwise, the pilot and the machine owner are offending the Air Naviagtion (Hong Kong) Order 1995 (CAP 448C).

- Same as other small aircraft, the Powered Paraglider must fly within the designated airspace.

- Nam Sang Wai is within the airspace for small aircraft.  The flying height is under the control of Civil Aviation Ordinance.

- Whether a photo or a witness is sufficient for prosecuting the pilot of the Powered Paraglider, further advice from Police should be consulted.

- If Powered Paraglider activity is discovered again, please report to the Police at once.

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In addition, as verbally confirmed by an officer of Civil Aviation Department, up to this moment, no Powered Paraglider was registered in HK and the Dapartment has never issued any licence for it.  This means any Powered Paraglider activity carried out in HK now is illegal.
If you find it happens again in Nam Sang Wai, please report at once to Yuen Long Police Report Room (Tel: 2476 5886).

Regards,

Forrest FONG
HKBWS

Get message! Thanks for the information and follow-up! :)

Useful information that confirms the paragliding was illegal. Those who will visit the area should bring along the contact number for speedy reporting.

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Thanks again to webcreeper.

thanks ... for follow up !!
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