HKBWS BBS ­» ´ä Æ[ ³¾ ·| ·s »D ²Õ    Discussion Area °Q½×°Ï    Photo Gallery ¬Û¤ù¤À¨É I (Moderators: carmen, BBS Moderators, Forrest FONG, Kwok Jai, George_Ho)    Swinhoe's Snipe (­×¥¿) « Previous topic | Next topic » Pages: 1 2  Reply Send Topic Print    Author  Topic: Swinhoe's Snipe (­×¥¿)  (Read 2649 times) Marcus BBS Member BBS God I love bird watching!     Posts: 121 Swinhoe's Snipe (­×¥¿) « on: Oct 23rd, 2002, 1:56pm » Quote Modify The photos were taking on 19-10-2002, Long Valley.     « Last Edit: May 12th, 2004, 6:32pm by BBS Moderators » Logged Grace_Chan BBS Member BBS Newbie I love bird watching!     Posts: 2 ::)Re: FANTAIL SNIPE « Reply #1 on: Oct 23rd, 2002, 4:51pm » Quote Modify Hay! Marcus, pls re-post again, tks!     Grace Logged ychan BBS Member BBS Junior Member I love bird watching!     Posts: 26 Re: FANTAIL SNIPE « Reply #2 on: Oct 24th, 2002, 9:44am » Quote Modify «¢«¢  ! ¦nè°è° !¥Î¬Æš¬¾÷¼vªº? Logged Marcus BBS Member BBS God I love bird watching!     Posts: 121 Re: FANTAIL SNIPE « Reply #3 on: Oct 24th, 2002, 6:50pm » Quote Modify I use DSLR + 500mm +2X with tripod. Thank you! « Last Edit: Oct 24th, 2002, 6:52pm by Marcus » Logged 648 BBS Member BBS God     Posts: 439 Re: FANTAIL SNIPE « Reply #4 on: Oct 24th, 2002, 8:35pm » Quote Modify «Ü²M´·°Ú¡I¥Î2X¤]¦³³o»ò¦nªº¦¨¹³,¯uªº«Ü¦n¡I ¥i¥H½Ð±Ð ÃèÀY ¡B¸}¬[¤Î¶³¥xªº¸ê®Æ¶Ü¡H   648 « Last Edit: Oct 24th, 2002, 8:35pm by 648 » Logged °ª¨Ð Guest Re: FANTAIL SNIPE « Reply #5 on: Oct 25th, 2002, 12:03am » Quote Modify Remove 648   ¥i§_¤]¤¶²Ð¤@¤U§Aªº¾¹§÷¶Ü¡H ¥H¤Î©M¤j®a¤À¨É§AªºÄá¼v¸gÅç©M¤ß±o¡I Logged koelko Guest Re: FANTAIL SNIPE « Reply #6 on: Oct 25th, 2002, 10:01am » Quote Modify Remove The photos are really spectacular! But I am rather curious...are the two birds the same one? The first one looks more like a Pintail to me. Logged Marcus BBS Member BBS God I love bird watching!     Posts: 121 Re: FANTAIL SNIPE « Reply #7 on: Oct 25th, 2002, 1:05pm » Quote Modify Sorry everyone, when I double-check the information of the photo, the config should be -> DSLR + 500mm +1.4X with tripod + ball head + ~40% cropping of the original photo.   648, you are right, if it was taking 2x, it should not be so sharp.   °ª¨Ð, I think that reading the nature photography book is a good way to take a better picture. Moreover, watching more beautiful pictures from other people and learn from them such as 648 and kk Hui's pictures as in this web site. In the above photos, cropping picture for presentation is an important stage I think. Furthermore, to the above SNIPE, I've to thank Willian that point it to me.   koelko, they are taking from same bird. I may post another photo of that SNIPE later. Logged KK Hui BBS Member BBS God Bird Photography - at its best ...     Posts: 940 Re: FANTAIL SNIPE « Reply #8 on: Oct 25th, 2002, 4:21pm » Quote Modify on Oct 25th, 2002, 1:05pm, Marcus wrote: ... 648, you are right, if it was taking 2x, it should not be so sharp ...   Just let me say this, with good long lens technique one should be able to obtain good sharp (of course, sharpness is relative!!!) images with brand name 2x TC eg Canon EF, Nikkor etc.   And with practice, very acceptable 'sharp' shots with stacked TC's viz 2x + 1.4x  are within reach too.   Note that I'm assumming the use of SLR or DSLR here with super telephotos such as 600/4, 500/4, 400/2.8 and 300/2.8   Good shooting!   Best kk --------------- www.geocities.com/kkhui_001   Logged Marcus BBS Member BBS God I love bird watching!     Posts: 121 Re: FANTAIL SNIPE « Reply #9 on: Oct 25th, 2002, 5:54pm » Quote Modify Thanks a lot for your experience sharing, kk hui.   I would try to get use on "2X+1.4" if I've a chance. Thanks again!! Logged Bob Guest Re: FANTAIL SNIPE « Reply #10 on: Oct 25th, 2002, 6:52pm » Quote Modify Remove Cropping of a picture is a very debatable subject, many photographers say that a picture should not be cropped and that the subject should be framed within the whole negative.     I believe that K.K.Hui shots are never cropped.   Bob Logged KK Hui BBS Member BBS God Bird Photography - at its best ...     Posts: 940 Re: FANTAIL SNIPE « Reply #11 on: Oct 25th, 2002, 7:49pm » Quote Modify Bob,     I'm with you on the issue of cropping. I'm a firm believer of 'NO CROP' approach as you already know. A good photographer shall always aim for getting the composition right at shoot time. The film area will be better utilized, subject filling the frame, resulting a sharper and smoother grain image. This applies to both traditional film or digital base.   Almost all my photos you see are non-cropped but frankly  I do cheat a little from time to time because I just can't fill the frame with our feather friends when they are not co-operating ...   Best kk --------------------- www.geocities.com/kkhui_001 Logged Webmaster BBS Administrator I am the Webmaster of HKBWS     Gender: Posts: 100 Re: FANTAIL SNIPE « Reply #12 on: Oct 26th, 2002, 9:28am » Quote Modify Hi KK,   Oh! You did cheat as well! Bob must be frustrated! As a non-photographer, I prefer not to restrict oneself doing creative work provided that you have stated clearly what you have done on the raw image.   Regards, Webmaster. « Last Edit: Oct 26th, 2002, 9:16pm by Webmaster » Logged Webmaster is here. Forrest FONG BBS Administrator I love Bird Watching!     Gender: Posts: 1123 Perfectionism? « Reply #13 on: Oct 27th, 2002, 12:04am » Quote Modify As a bird watcher, I would concern the message conveyed by the photo rather than it is cropped or not. An un-sharp, wrong exposured or poor framed photo can also be a good and useful photo if it can help me to identify the bird, tell me its behaviour & its living habitat or serve as a record/proof of the existenance of the bird. « Last Edit: Oct 27th, 2002, 12:20am by Forrest FONG » Logged FF KK Hui BBS Member BBS God Bird Photography - at its best ...     Posts: 940 Bird Photography vs Bird ID  [was FANTAIL SNIPE] « Reply #14 on: Oct 27th, 2002, 9:37am » Quote Modify Forrest,   Thanks for making the point here. Bird Photography to me is a way of conveying an artistic expression of bird behavior through the eyes of a photographer. Birders on the other hand are more concerned with bird ID and photo as a record. So, the starting point and objective are drastically different.   From what I understand, experience birders in general would prefer illustrations (drawings) for ID purposes rather than photographs. Most field gudies based on photos sell to amatuers but not to experienced birders. Photographs are also greatly influenced by film used, filtration, and ambient light. Drawings by competent artists  are better than photos in these respects -  it emphasizes the differences such as plumage, color etc.   So let's not mix the ID thing with Bird Photography!   Best kk ----------------- Logged Pages: 1 2  Reply Send Topic Print Forum Jump: ----------------------------- Announcement ²°T³q§i -----------------------------  - Membership Affair ·|­û¨Æ°È   - Outings / Activities ¤á¥~¬¡°Ê / Á¿®y   - Projects ¶µ¥Ø­p¹º   - Crested Bulbul Club ¬õ¦Õóí­Ñ¼Ö³¡ ----------------------------- Discussion Area °Q½×°Ï -----------------------------  - General ¤@¯ë°ÝÃD   - Conservation ¦ÛµM«O¨|   - Bird Identification ³¾Ãþ¿ëÃÑ   - Birding Reports & Tips Æ[³¾³ø§i¤Î¤ß±o => Photo Gallery ¬Û¤ù¤À¨É I   - Photo Gallery ¬Û¤ù¤À¨É II ----------------------------- Special Topics ¯S§O¥DÃD -----------------------------  - Wild Birds & Avian Flu ³¥³¾»P¸V¬y·P   - Sustainable Management Scheme in Long Valley Üñ­ì¥i«ùÄò¥ÍºAºÞ²z­p¹º   - Black-faced Spoonbill ¶ÂÁyµ\ÆO   - Goodbye Penfold §i§O´^ºÖ   - Tern Conservation ¿PÅëO¨|   - Black-eared Kite »ð(³ÂÆN)   - Swifts and Swallows ¿P»P«B¿P   - China Birdwatching Network ¤¤°êÆ[³¾¬¡°Êºôµ¸   - Winter Altas Survey ¥V©u³¾Ãþ´¶¬d   - Nature Conservation Policy ¦ÛµM«O¨|¬Fµ¦ ----------------------------- Knowledge Sharing ª¾ÃѤÀ¨É -----------------------------  - FAQ ±`¨£°ÝÃD   - Archive ¸ê®Æ­«·Å « Previous topic | Next topic »

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