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Title: ®a¿P¤]·|¬°¥¢¥h¿Ë¤H¶Ë¤ß? Swallows Crying? Post by Webcreeper on Mar 27th, 2004, 8:41am ¤@²Õ«D±`·P¤Hªº·Ó¤ù¡AÃÒ©ú³¶³¾¤]·|¬°¥¢¥h¿Ë¤H¶Ë¤ß A very moving set of photos, which clearly shows that birds also suffer for a lost one. :'( :'( :'( http://www.dcview.com.tw/gallery/showmsg.asp?sre=2&msgid=271976 ¡q¥þ¤å¤wÂà¶K¦b¥H¤U»P¤j®a¤À¨É¡I¡r |
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Title: Re: ®a¿P¤]·|¬°¥¢¥h¿Ë¤H¶Ë¤ß Swallows Do Cry Post by Forrest FONG on Mar 27th, 2004, 9:08am ¡K«D±`·P°Ê¡B·P°Ê :'( :'( :'( :'( °Êª«Ì¤]·|¤¬¬Û·RÅ@¡A ²{¤µ¬F©²¹ï¸V¬y·Pªº«Å¶Ç¤Î±¹¬I¡A ¥O¥«¥Á®`©È¬Æ¦Ü¤³µø³¥¥Í°Êª«¡C :-[ |
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Title: Re: ®a¿P¤]·|¬°¥¢¥h¿Ë¤H¶Ë¤ß Swallows Do Cry Post by Owlet-nightjar on Mar 27th, 2004, 9:26am :'( :'( :'( ¤Q¤À·P¤H¡I ³o¤£¬Oº©µe¬G¨Æªº®a¿P¡I |
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Title: ±¥¡ã®a¿P Post by Forrest FONG on Mar 27th, 2004, 9:42am ¹ê¦b¤Ó°Ê¤H¤F¡A§Ô¤£¦ín±N¥þ¤åÂà¶K¦b¥H¤U»P¤j®a¤À¨É¡I ¦hÁÂ¥xÆWªºWilson Hsu ¦bDCView.com±i¶K³o¯ë°Ê¤Hªº¬Û¤ù¤Î¤å³¹¡I ***** ¬P´Á¤»ªº´ä«n¡A¤Ñ®ð³±«B¡A¦b´ä«nµo²{«Ü¦hªº®a¿P¡A¬Æ¦Ü©óÁÙ¦¨¸s°±¯d¦b°¨¸ô¤W¡A¬ÝµÛ¨Ó©¹ªº¤j³f¨®¡A¤£¸g¬°¥LÌ®º¤@§â§N¦½¡I¤ß¤¤·QµÛ¤§«e¦bô´µ¤j¾¤¥[³Q±²¤J¨®½üªº¬ü¬wøl¡CªG¤£¨äµM¡A¤@½ø©I¼S¦Ó¹Lªº¤j³f¨®¶}¹L¡A¦a¤W¥u¬Ý¨ì¤@¹Î¶Â¼v¯dµÛ¡A¤ß¤¤ª¾¹D¤£©¯¤Sµo¥Í¤F:<... http://www.hkbws.org.hk/fileServer/PhotoG/wilsonhsu/wilsonhsu01.jpg ³¾¨àªº·P±¡¤]¬O¬Û·íÂ×´Iªº¡C¾¨ºÞ³o°¦®a¿P¤w¸g¦b¦a¤W¤£·|°Ê¤F¡A¦ý¬O¡A¥t¤@°¦§Ï©»¬O¥Lªº®a¤H¡A°¨¤W¸¨ì¥Lªº¨Ãä¡A¤£§Ô¬Û«H³oӨƹê¡C¡C¡C http://www.hkbws.org.hk/fileServer/PhotoG/wilsonhsu/wilsonhsu02.jpg http://www.hkbws.org.hk/fileServer/PhotoG/wilsonhsu/wilsonhsu03.jpg ¥t¤@°¦³¾¨à¸ªñ¡A§Ï©»§i¶D¥L³o¬OÓµLªk§ïÅܪº¨Æ¹ê¡C¡C¡C¦ý¬O¡AÃø§Ô¥¢¥h¿Ë¤Hªº´dµh¡A»°¨«¤F¥L¡A¹ç¥i¬Û«H³o¤£¬O¯uªº:<... http://www.hkbws.org.hk/fileServer/PhotoG/wilsonhsu/wilsonhsu04.jpg ¥t¤@½ø¨®¤l¤S¸g¹L¤F¡A¸§Öªº¨®³t¡A±N·±²°_¡A¦a¤Wªº³¾¨à¤]ÀHµÛ½¤F¨¡C¬Ý¨ì¦a¤Wªº³¾¨à§ïÅܤF«º¶Õ¡A¿Ë¤H§Ï©»¨ü¨ì¹ªÀy¤@¯ë¡A»°§Öªº¤S¤U¨Ó¨ì¥Lªº¨®Ç¡C¡C¡C http://www.hkbws.org.hk/fileServer/PhotoG/wilsonhsu/wilsonhsu05.jpg ¦b¥Lªº¨®Ç¦uÔ¡A¤jÁnªº©I³ÛµÛ¡A¬°¦óÁÙ¤£°_¨Ó©O:<... http://www.hkbws.org.hk/fileServer/PhotoG/wilsonhsu/wilsonhsu06.jpg ©`¦ó¡A¥t¤@¤è¤w¸g¥Ã»·Å¥¤£¨ì¤F¡C¡C¡C¦¹®É¡A¿Ë³¾³º¹Á¸Õn±N¦a¤Wªº³¾¨à§ì°_¡C¡C¡C http://www.hkbws.org.hk/fileServer/PhotoG/wilsonhsu/wilsonhsu07.jpg ·íµM¬OµLªk©Ó¨ü³o¼Ë¨I«ªºt¾á¡C¡C¡C¥Î¤Oªº®¶¯Í¡A¤@¦¸¤S¤@¦¸¡C¡C¡C http://www.hkbws.org.hk/fileServer/PhotoG/wilsonhsu/wilsonhsu08.jpg µL©`¡AÁaµM¦a¤Wªº³¾¨à·Q¦^À³¡A«o¤]¥Ã»·¨S¿ìªk¤F:<... http://www.hkbws.org.hk/fileServer/PhotoG/wilsonhsu/wilsonhsu09.jpg ¤S¤@½ø¨®¤l¸g¹L¡A¿Ë³¾»°¦£¸°_¡Aµ¥¨ì¨®¤l¤@¹L¡A«o¤S°¨¤W¤U¨Ó¡C¡C¡C http://www.hkbws.org.hk/fileServer/PhotoG/wilsonhsu/wilsonhsu10.jpg ¾¨ºÞ§Oªº³¾¨à§i¶D¥L³o¬O¨S¦³¥Îªº¡A¦ý¬O¡A¨ÌµM¤£¦º¤ßªº§Æ±æ¬Ý¨ì¥L¦A«×¸°_¡C http://www.hkbws.org.hk/fileServer/PhotoG/wilsonhsu/wilsonhsu11.jpg ¥t¤@½ø¨®¸g¹L¡A³¾¨àªº¨¤l¤S³Q¨®¤l§Ö³tªº·§j°Ê¡C¡C¡C¦A«×¨ü¨ì¹ª»Rªº¿Ë³¾¡A«ùÄò¤£¦Pªº¹Á¸Õ¡C¡C¡C http://www.hkbws.org.hk/fileServer/PhotoG/wilsonhsu/wilsonhsu12.jpg ¨Ï«l¤F¥þ¨ªº¤O¶q¡A«oµLªk±o¨ì¥ô¦óªº¦^À³¡C¡C¡C ³Ì«á¡A²×©ó§Ô¤£ª`ªº¤jÁn©I³ÛµÛ¡A"§A¬°¦óÁÙ¤£°_¨Ó©O" :<... http://www.hkbws.org.hk/fileServer/PhotoG/wilsonhsu/wilsonhsu13.jpg ¦n¹³¦Û¤v¤]¦³ÂI¼g¤£¤U¥h¤F¡@ «á¨Ó¡A¦]¬°¾á¤ß¤£Â_¤U¨Óªº¿Ë³¾¤]¨ü¨ì¨®¤lªº¼²À»¡A쥻¤£¸Ó¤z¯Aªº¡A«o¤]§Ô¤£¦íªº±N¦a¤W³¾ªº«ÍÅé²¾°Ê¨ì¸ôÃ䪺¯óÂO¤W¡A¥HÁקK¦A«×¦³¤£©¯µo¥Í¡A¿Ë³¾¬Ý¨ì¦ü¥G¦^¤Ñ¥F³N¤F¡A¦bªÅ¤¤¥s¤F´X¦¸¡A²×©ó¤£¦A¤U¨Ó¤F¡@ ¦b¥»½g¤¤¡A¤@¨ÇÀÀ¤H¤Æªº»¡©ú¡A¥u¬OÆ[¹î·í®É¤ß¤¤ªº¤@¨Ç·Q¹³¡A¤£¤@©w»P¨Æ¹ê²Å¦X¡Q³o¨à´£¨ìªº¿Ë³¾¡A¤]¤£¤@©w¬O¦³¿ËÄÝÃö«Y¡Q¦ý¬O¡A³¾¨àªº¦æ¬°«o¤S¤£¸TÅý¤H·P¨ì¥L̪º·P±¡¥@¬É¤]¬O¦p¦¹ªºÂ×´I¡C·í§Ú̦b½à³¾¡A©ç³¾®É¡A¦h¦h¬°³¾¨àªººÖ¬çµÛ·Q§a¡C¡C¡C¤¬¬Û«jÀy»P¦Û§Ú´£¿ô¡C¡C¡C ¤]§Æ±æ¤j®a¯àÂǥѳoÓ§@«~¡A¦h¦hÃöÃh¨Ã䪺¸Uª«¡IY»ÝÂà¶K½Ð¤£n«È®ð¡A¥u»Ýª`©ú¥X³B´N¥i¥H¤F¡A¯à¬°¥xÆWªº¥ÍºAºÉ¤@ÂI¤ß¤O¡A¤]¬OÓ¤Hªººa©¯¡C·PÁ¤j®a¡I |
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Title: Re: ®a¿P¤]·|¬°¥¢¥h¿Ë¤H¶Ë¤ß Swallows Do Cry Post by bjingbar on Mar 27th, 2004, 2:11pm I would like to nominate the top photograph taken by Wilson Hsu as "Photo of the Year" It is an extremely powerful & moving photo Bob |
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Title: Re: ®a¿P¤]·|¬°¥¢¥h¿Ë¤H¶Ë¤ß Swallows Do Cry Post by Karl on Mar 27th, 2004, 11:36pm Love, is all around us. The little creatures again, reminded me. Thanks, little Swallow. |
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Title: Re: ®a¿P¤]·|¬°¥¢¥h¿Ë¤H¶Ë¤ß Swallows Do Cry Post by BLee on Mar 28th, 2004, 3:07pm Really touching ! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( We, human, please learn from it. Barry |
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Title: Re: ®a¿P¤]·|¬°¥¢¥h¿Ë¤H¶Ë¤ß Swallows Do Cry Post by Hendrix on Mar 28th, 2004, 4:22pm Wilson Hsu has written a book: http://www.grandtech.com.tw/book/books_det.asp?otherid=310 See whether HKBWS can place a group order of it ? |
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Title: Re: ®a¿P¤]·|¬°¥¢¥h¿Ë¤H¶Ë¤ß Swallows Do Cry Post by isaac_chan on Mar 29th, 2004, 2:04am ÆW¥J¹q¸£«°¤G¼Ó¨º±M½æ¥xÆW¹q¸£®Ñªº®Ñ©±¤w¸g¦³°â. §Ú¤W¬P´Á¤¤w¶R¤@¥»¤F. ;D »ù¿ú: HKD$150. (¬Û«H¨ä¥L¹q¸£¤¤¤ßªº¥xÆW¹q¸£®Ñ±M½æ©±³£¦³°â§a.... ) |
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Title: Re: ®a¿P¤]·|¬°¥¢¥h¿Ë¤H¶Ë¤ß Swallows Do Cry Post by 234 on Apr 8th, 2004, 8:44pm ¦³ÂI¦ü´¿¬ÛÃѪº·Pı¡C ì¨Ó¬O¨Ó¦Û¤G¡³¡³¤T¦~·d¯º¿Õ¨©º¸¼ú "¥Íª«¾Ç¼ú«hÄݲüÄõ³À¯S¤¦¦ÛµM¥v³Õª«À]ªºC.W. Moeliker¡A¥L©¾¹ê¦a°O¿ý¤F¤@°¦ºñÀYÀnªº¦P©ÊÅÊÅÊ«ÍÂ}[6]¡C¥L¥ØÀ»¤F¤@Ó¶¯ºñÀYÀn±j¼É¥t¤@°¦¦b³Õª«À]¯ó©W¤W±¾±¼ªº¶¯ºñÀYÀn¹F¤C¤Q¤¤ÀÄÁ¤§¤[¡A³Ì«á¥L¦A¤]§Ô¤£¦í¦Ó¥h¸Ñ±Ï¨º°¦¦ºÀn¡A¨ÃÅç«Í½T»{¨e¬O¤½ªº¡C" http://www.sciscape.org/news_detail.php?news_id=1279 http://stdb.org/pnn/?news_id=941 |
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Title: Re: ®a¿P¤]·|¬°¥¢¥h¿Ë¤H¶Ë¤ß Swallows Do Cry Post by °²³¾°g on Apr 11th, 2004, 12:14pm §Ú¥ç¦³Å¥¹L¦³Ãö·d¯º¿Õ¨©º¸ªº·s»Dªº¬G¨Æ¡C¤H¬O«Ü¥DÆ[ªº°Êª«¡A¦p§Ú̱Nªº¥DÆ[±¡·P°t¨ì¤@ӹϤù¡B¤@¥ó¬ã¨sµ¥¡A·|¦³¤£¦Pªº¬G¨Æ¡C¥H®a¿P¬G¨Æ¬°¨Ò¨Ò¡A¦³¤H»¡¨e·Q±N¿Ë¤H©ï¨«¡A¥ç¦³¸ê®ÆÅã¥Ü¨e¥i¯à¥¿¦b¬I¤©±j¼É¡C ¡u®a¿P¬°¥¢¥h¿Ë¤H¦Ó¶Ë¤ß¡vªº¬G¨Æ¡A¬G¨Æ´N¦n¹³¤@±Ãè¤l¡A¤Ï¬MµÛ§Ú̪º¥Í¬¡¡A¥s¤H«ä¦Ò¡B¦Û¬Ù¡B§ïÅÜ¡C ¡u±j¼Éª©¡vªº¬G¨Æ¡A¥i¯à²z¸Ñ¦h¤@ÂI¬ì¾Ç¡A¹ï§Ú̪º¥Í¬¡¤W¨S¬Æ»ò¦³·N¸q¡C §ÚÓ¤H¸û¬°¶É¦V«eªÌªº¬G¨Æ¡A§A©O¡H |
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Title: Re: ®a¿P¤]·|¬°¥¢¥h¿Ë¤H¶Ë¤ß Swallows Do Cry Post by Webcreeper on Apr 11th, 2004, 6:36pm °Êª«ªº¦æ¬°ì¥»´N¦³¨e̪º¤@®M³W«ß¡A¤HÃþ¥¼¥²¯à°÷§¹¥þ²z¸Ñ¡A¥ÎÀÀ¤H¤Æªº¨¤«×¥h´yz¸ÑÄÀ°Êª«¦æ¬°¡A¥i¯à·|±o¥X¿ù»~ªºµ²½×¡Aì§@ªÌ¦b¶K¤å³Ì«á³¡¥÷¤]¦³»¡©ú¡C ¤£¯à§_©w·Ó¤ù¤¤ªº®a¿P¥i¯à¯uªº¦³¥æ°t¦æ¬°¡A¦ý¬O¡§±j¼É¡¨³oÓµü¤]±a¦³ÀÀ¤H¤Æªº¦â±m¡A¦pªG¯uªºn«ÈÆ[´yz¡A¤]À³ÁקK¨Ï¥Î³oºØ±a¦³¹D¼w·N¨ýªº¦r²´¡C ´¿Å¥¹L¦³¨Ç°Êª«¦bºë¯«ºò±i©Î¨ü¨ìÀ£¤O®É¤]·|¦³¥æ°t¦æ¬°¡A³o¬O¤Ñ©Ê¨ÏµM¡A¤£À³¥Î¤HÃþ¹D¼wªº¼Ð·Ç¨Ó§å§P¡C ©MÀ´±opºâªº¤HÃþ¬Û¤ñ¡A°Êª«¬yÅSªº·P±¡©¹©¹¬O³Ì¯u¼°ªº¡A¤£·|ÁB§á³y§@¡A´ÛÌ©¿fÄF¡CµL½×«á¨Ó¨º®a¿P¦³¨S¦³¥æ°t¦æ¬°¡A§Ú©l²×ı±oº´X±i·Ó¤ù¤¤¨º®a¿P¦ü¥G¯uªº¦b¬°¦º¥hªº¦P¦ñÅå©Iµhú¡A¦Ó¬G¨Æ·P¤Hªº¦a¤è¥ç¥¿¥¿¸¨¦b³o¸Ì¡C |
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Title: Re: ®a¿P¤]·|¬°¥¢¥h¿Ë¤H¶Ë¤ß Swallows Do Cry Post by bond on Apr 13th, 2004, 8:45pm §¹¥þ¦P·N! ¬Û«H°Êª«¤ñ¤£¤W¤HÃþªº,´N¬O¨e̤£À´±oÁôÂæۤvªº·P±¡... |
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Title: News report on The China Post (25 April 04) Post by Project Officer on Apr 26th, 2004, 10:11am Barn swallow's death draws thousands of responses on Net Source: http://www.chinapost.com.tw/detail.asp?onNews=1&GRP=A&id=23780 2004/4/24 TAIPEI, Taiwan, The China Post Staff A series of photographs capturing a barn swallow mourning over its dead mate have taken Taiwan Internet users by storm. These unusual photographs, captured by bird lover Wilson Hsu, show a barn swallow crying over its dead mate, refusing to leave its side, trying to revive it and even trying to grasp its corpse and fly away with it. Hsu posted his photographs up on the Internet and in less than a month, he received over 400 written responses. A further tens of thousands of Net users visited the site. Hsu, a manager in Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. described how he set off to Hsinchu on the day of the presidential election to bird watch and take photos. On the road were a flock of swallows. Then a truck roared past and some swallows did not fly away quickly enough. Several were hit by the truck. Hsu pulled out his camera and caught the barn swallow grieving for its mate. Hsu, a member of Taiwan's wild bird protection society, said that in the process of capturing the barn swallow on film, he could not help but feel its grief too. He said when he saw the love and pain in its eyes, he had to stop filming. When he posted the photographs up on the Internet and tried to describe what he saw, he said, the feelings rushed back and he had to stop writing. Hsu said he was concerned that the grieving bird would not pay attention to traffic on the road, and put the corpse on the side of the road. After this the barn swallow seemed to realize that its mate would not revive, uttered several cheeps and flew away. The photographs raised questions about the safety of animals on the roads in Taiwan. In Western countries, such as Australia, it is common to see warning signs urging drivers to pay attention to wandering animals, such as kangaroos. Taiwan's system for protection of wildlife from traffic is not so developed. Hsu urged drivers to take care on the roads and protect wildlife, saying careful driving could save lives. Some net users wrote that the photographs reminded them of pets they used to have; it provoked others to discuss the philosophy of Confucian thinker Mencius and his theories that there are not many differences between humans and animals. Barn swallows are the world's most widespread swallows. Their name derives from their affinity to nest in wooden barns in old-style farmhouses. They are characterized by their glossy, steel-blue upper side, white underside and chestnut forked chin and throat. They are very sociable birds. Males and females usually construct a nest for their young together. Sometimes this can take eight full 14-hour days to complete. |
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Title: Re: ®a¿P¤]·|¬°¥¢¥h¿Ë¤H¶Ë¤ß Swallows Do Cry Post by isaac_chan on Apr 26th, 2004, 1:36pm ¦³¿³½ìªº¸Ü, ¥i¨ì³o¸Ì¬Ýìºô¯¸ªº°Q½×: http://kite.center.kl.edu.tw/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8858 |
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Title: Re: ®a¿P¤]·|¬°¥¢¥h¿Ë¤H¶Ë¤ß Swallows Do Cry Post by gjcarey on Apr 28th, 2004, 5:17pm I hate to be so prosaic, but I'm not at all sure this is what it appears to be. It is possible to look at these photos from a different viewpoint and not see grieving at all. I'm not sure what is going on, but I believe that we should be careful not to anthropomorphise so much. It may simply be that the sight of a prone bird, a female, has stimulated the male into attempted copulation. Or it may be something else.... Geoff |
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Title: Re: ®a¿P¤]·|¬°¥¢¥h¿Ë¤H¶Ë¤ß Swallows Do Cry Post by Webcreeper on Apr 28th, 2004, 7:58pm I can see that the last few photos may be showing copulation behaviour, but how could we interpret the calls in the first few pictures? |
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Title: Re: ®a¿P¤]·|¬°¥¢¥h¿Ë¤H¶Ë¤ß? Swallows Crying? Post by mfho on Apr 28th, 2004, 8:35pm ¹ï©ó³¾Ãþªº¦æ¬°, ¦³«Ü¦hªF¦è§ÚÌÁÙµLªk©ú¥Õ¤Î²z¸Ñ, ©Ò¥H¤´µM¦³«Ü¦h³¾Ãþ¬ã¨s¦b¶i¦æ¤¤. ¦Ü©ó³o®a¿Pªº¦æ¬°, §ÚÌÁÙ¬O·í§@¬G¨Æ¬Ý§a! |
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Title: Re: ®a¿P¤]·|¬°¥¢¥h¿Ë¤H¶Ë¤ß? Swallows Crying? Post by Michael_Leven on Apr 29th, 2004, 10:44am I am sorry to say that these photographs have been misinterpreted. The dead bird is a female and the other bird is a male. The position of the dead bird is the same as that which a female adopts to show that she is ready to mate and this has stimulated the male (not necessarily even her mate) to attempt copulation. Mike Leven |
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Title: Re: ®a¿P¤]·|¬°¥¢¥h¿Ë¤H¶Ë¤ß? Swallows Crying? Post by gjcarey on Apr 29th, 2004, 10:46am The calling in the first few photos could simply be pre-copulatory behaviour. Or it could be normal behaviour for the time of year and place. Or it could be a male swallow calling to its mate. This is very different from grief, though. My point is that we should be very careful about projecting human emotional responses onto animals We can learn from nature, but then we have to see nature for what it is - not a copy of humanity! WE have evolved from nature! - not the opposite! Geoff |
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Title: Re: ®a¿P¤]·|¬°¥¢¥h¿Ë¤H¶Ë¤ß? Swallows Crying? Post by Webcreeper on Apr 29th, 2004, 8:52pm ³Ìªñ¨â¦ì¸ê²`ªº¥~Âdz¾¤Íµoªí¤F¤@¨Ç¤£¦Pªº¬Ýªk¡A²{¸Õ¦æ½Ķ¦p¤U¡A¨Ñ¤j®a°Ñ¦Ò¡G Geoff Carey 2004¦~4¤ë28¤é¡@¤U¤È5:17¡@¯d¨¥¡G ÁöµM§Ú¤£·Q¼â§N¤ô¡A¦ý¬O§Ú»{¬°¨Æ¹ê¨Ã«D´N¦pªí±¬Ý¨Óªº¨ºÓ¼Ë¤l¡C¦pªG´«¤F¥t¥~¤@Ó¨¤«×¡A¨º°¦®a¿P¨Ã«D¦b«s±¥¦P¦ñ¡C §Ú¨Ã¤£ªÖ©w¨º³¾¦b°µ¬Æ»ò¡A¦ý¬O§ÚÌn¤p¤ß¡A¤£¥i¥H±N¦ÛµM²{¶H¹L¤ÀÀÀ¤H¤Æ¡C¨Æ¹ê¥i¯à¬O¨º°¦»Û³¾Á¥ñªº«º¶Õ¿E°_¤F¶¯³¾ªº½Ä°Ê¡A¦]¦Ó¥ø¹Ï¥æ°t¡A¤S©ÎªÌ¬O¨ä¥L¡K¡K Mike Leven 2004¦~4¤ë29¤é¡@¤W¤È10:44 ¯d¨¥¡G ¹ï¤£°_¡A¦U¦ì¬Ý¿ù³o¨Ç·Ó¤ù¤F¡C ·Ó¤ù¤¤ªº¦º³¾¬O»Û³¾¡A¦Ó¥t¥~¤@°¦¬O¶¯³¾¡C¦º³¾ªº«º¶Õ¹³¦b§i¶D¶¯³¾¥i¥H¥æ°t¡A¦]¦¹¿E°_¤F¶¯³¾¡]¥i¯à¬Æ¦Ü¨Ã«D»Û³¾ªº°t°¸¡^ªº½Ä°Ê¡A¥ø¹Ï©M¨e¥æ°t¡C Geoff Carey 2004¦~4¤ë29¤é¡@¤W¤È10:46¡@¯d¨¥¡G ÀY´X±i·Ó¤ù¤¤ªº®a¿P¦b»ï¥s¡A¤]³\¬O¥æ°tªº«e´ê¦æ¬°¡A¤]³\¬O¦b·í®É·í¦aªº¥¿±`¦æ¬°¡A¥ç¥i¯à¬O¶¯³¾¦V°t°¸©I¥s¡A¦ý¬O³£¨Ã«D´d¶Ëªºªí²{¡C §Ú·Q«ü¥Xªº¬O¤j®an¤p¤ß¦a¥h²z¸Ñ©Ò¨£ªº²{¶H¡A¤£n»´©ö¦a±N¤HÃþªº±¡·P®M¥Î¨ì°Êª«¨¤W¡C §ÚÌ¥i¥H¦V¤j¦ÛµM¾Ç²ß¡A¦ý¬Onª½±µ±¹ï¦ÛµMªº¥»¨Ó±¥Ø¡A¦Ó¤£¬OÀÀ¤H¤Æªº°²¹³¡C ¤HÃþ±q¦ÛµM¬Éºt¤Æ¦Ó¨Ó¡A¦ÛµM¸Uª«¨Ã¤£¥Ñ¤H¦Ó¥Í¡I¡]¦]¦¹¤HÃþªº±¡·P©M·Q¹³¥¼¥²¯à°÷§¹¥þ®M¥Î¨ì¦ÛµM¤§¤W¡^ |
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