HKBWS BBS 香 港 觀 鳥 會 新 聞 組    Discussion Area 討論區    Bird Identification 鳥類辨識 (Moderators: BBS Moderators, Yat-tung YU)    Asian paradise flycatcher? « Previous topic | Next topic » Pages: 1  Reply Send Topic Print    Author  Topic: Asian paradise flycatcher?  (Read 1747 times) Yi_Gou BBS Member BBS Full Member who sit and watch     Gender: Posts: 41 Asian paradise flycatcher? « on: Sep 17th, 2006, 9:49pm » Quote Modify Asian Paradise Flycatcher? 壽帶鳥? Yung Shue Wan, Lamma Island 南丫島, 榕樹灣 17/9/2006 Canon 350D, 100-400     Can you tell from the back view? Didn't get a very good view of the front, but suspect that it was more like the gradual gradation of APF than the distinct dermarcation of Japanese. « Last Edit: Sep 18th, 2006, 9:54am by Yi_Gou » Logged miket BBS Member BBS God I'd rather be birding!     Posts: 257 Re: Asian paradise flycatcher? « Reply #1 on: Sep 17th, 2006, 10:25pm » Quote Modify This is Japanese for me, Yi Gou.   There's clear maroon (purplish) tone about the  mantle and the tail is rather dull - not bright orangey-chestnut as in APF.   The thing about the demarcation of the blackish head and greyer underparts in these two species is the opposite of what you said - its APF that's sharply demarcated and JPF that's lacking that. See plate 64 of Robson (Birds of SE Asia).   Mike Turnbull. Logged Yi_Gou BBS Member BBS Full Member who sit and watch     Gender: Posts: 41 Re: Asian paradise flycatcher? « Reply #2 on: Sep 18th, 2006, 9:54am » Quote Modify I'm a bit confused now - the HK bird book seems to suggest the opposite.  Here's the best I could get of the front of the bird - it was grappling with a butterfly.   Logged miket BBS Member BBS God I'd rather be birding!     Posts: 257 Re: Asian paradise flycatcher? « Reply #3 on: Sep 18th, 2006, 5:07pm » Quote Modify I'm rather confused by this bird, though I'd still go for Japanese, I think.   Viney (Birds of HK) doesn't in fact say the opposite of what I said, as it is discussing another feature: the demarcation between the grey breast and the whiter lower underparts, which is a bit sharper in female Japanese than Asian, though it is not always obvious.   The demarcation I was talking about was that between the blackish hood and the dark grey chest and shoulders - it seems to be there on this bird but is low down and the shoulders are dark, so I think it's Japanese. The grey/white contrast is harder to see and seems to be less reliable anyway.   Robson illustrates and discusses the differences between our race of Asian (incei) and those further south and west - it is only incei that has the sharp contrast on the throat. Viney illustrates this quite well but does not refer to it in the text.   Mike Turnbull Logged Yi_Gou BBS Member BBS Full Member who sit and watch     Gender: Posts: 41 Re: Asian paradise flycatcher? « Reply #4 on: Sep 18th, 2006, 9:03pm » Quote Modify I get it now - I was thinking of the gradation of the breast colours.  Will have to try to get some better pics next time. Logged cywong BBS Member BBS God I am fascinated by birds!     Posts: 295 Re: Asian paradise flycatcher? « Reply #5 on: Sep 19th, 2006, 11:46pm » Quote Modify Can this be a Japanese Paradise Flycatcher?   There is no demarcation between the the blackish hood and the dark grey chest but clear demarcation between the dark grey breast and the white lower underparts.   Mai Po 16.09.06   Logged Thank you for sharing the joy of bird-watching. Pages: 1  Reply Send Topic Print Forum Jump: ----------------------------- Announcement 簡訊通告 -----------------------------  - Membership Affair 會員事務   - Outings / Activities 戶外活動 / 講座   - Projects 項目計劃   - Crested Bulbul Club 紅耳鵯俱樂部 ----------------------------- Discussion Area 討論區 -----------------------------  - General 一般問題   - Conservation 自然保育 => Bird Identification 鳥類辨識   - Birding Reports & Tips 觀鳥報告及心得   - Photo Gallery 相片分享 I   - Photo Gallery 相片分享 II ----------------------------- Special Topics 特別主題 -----------------------------  - Wild Birds & Avian Flu 野鳥與禽流感   - Sustainable Management Scheme in Long Valley 塱原可持續生態管理計劃   - Black-faced Spoonbill 黑臉琵鷺   - Goodbye Penfold 告別彭福   - Tern Conservation 燕鷗保育   - Black-eared Kite 鳶(麻鷹)   - Swifts and Swallows 燕與雨燕   - China Birdwatching Network 中國觀鳥活動網絡   - Winter Altas Survey 冬季鳥類普查   - Nature Conservation Policy 自然保育政策 ----------------------------- Knowledge Sharing 知識分享 -----------------------------  - FAQ 常見問題   - Archive 資料重溫 « Previous topic | Next topic »

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