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gjcarey
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Re: 家燕也會為失去親人傷心 Swallows Do Cry
« Reply #15 on: Apr 28th, 2004, 5:17pm » |
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I hate to be so prosaic, but I'm not at all sure this is what it appears to be. It is possible to look at these photos from a different viewpoint and not see grieving at all.
I'm not sure what is going on, but I believe that we should be careful not to anthropomorphise so much. It may simply be that the sight of a prone bird, a female, has stimulated the male into attempted copulation. Or it may be something else....
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Re: 家燕也會為失去親人傷心 Swallows Do Cry
« Reply #16 on: Apr 28th, 2004, 7:58pm » |
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I can see that the last few photos may be showing copulation behaviour, but how could we interpret the calls in the first few pictures?
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Re: 家燕也會為失去親人傷心? Swallows Crying?
« Reply #17 on: Apr 28th, 2004, 8:35pm » |
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對於鳥類的行為, 有很多東西我們還無法明白及理解, 所以仍然有很多鳥類研究在進行中.
至於這家燕的行為, 我們還是當作故事看吧!
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Re: 家燕也會為失去親人傷心? Swallows Crying?
« Reply #18 on: Apr 29th, 2004, 10:44am » |
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I am sorry to say that these photographs have been misinterpreted.
The dead bird is a female and the other bird is a male. The position of the dead bird is the same as that which a female adopts to show that she is ready to mate and this has stimulated the male (not necessarily even her mate) to attempt copulation.
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Re: 家燕也會為失去親人傷心? Swallows Crying?
« Reply #19 on: Apr 29th, 2004, 10:46am » |
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The calling in the first few photos could simply be pre-copulatory behaviour.
Or it could be normal behaviour for the time of year and place. Or it could be a male swallow calling to its mate. This is very different from grief, though.
My point is that we should be very careful about projecting human emotional responses onto animals
We can learn from nature, but then we have to see nature for what it is - not a copy of humanity!
WE have evolved from nature! - not the opposite!
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Re: 家燕也會為失去親人傷心? Swallows Crying?
« Reply #20 on: Apr 29th, 2004, 8:52pm » |
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最近兩位資深的外藉鳥友發表了一些不同的看法，現試行翻譯如下，供大家參考：
Geoff Carey 2004年4月28日 下午5:17 留言：
雖然我不想潑冷水，但是我認為事實並非就如表面看來的那個樣子。如果換了另外 一個角度，那隻家燕並非在哀悼同伴。
我並不肯定那鳥在做甚麼，但是我們要小心，不可以將自然現象過分擬人化。事實 可能是那隻雌鳥俯伏的姿勢激起了雄鳥的衝動，因而企圖交配，又或者是其他……
Mike Leven 2004年4月29日 上午10:44 留言：
對不起，各位看錯這些照片了。
照片中的死鳥是雌鳥，而另外一隻是雄鳥。死鳥的姿勢像在告訴雄鳥可以交配，因 此激起了雄鳥（可能甚至並非雌鳥的配偶）的衝動，企圖和牠交配。
Geoff Carey 2004年4月29日 上午10:46 留言：
頭幾張照片中的家燕在鳴叫，也許是交配的前湊行為，也許是在當時當地的正常行 為，亦可能是雄鳥向配偶呼叫，但是都並非悲傷的表現。
我想指出的是大家要小心地去理解所見的現象，不要輕易地將人類的情感套用到動 物身上。
我們可以向大自然學習，但是要直接面對自然的本來面目，而不是擬人化的假像。
人類從自然界演化而來，自然萬物並不由人而生！（因此人類的情感和想像未必能 夠完全套用到自然之上）
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