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HarryLi
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Dove ID ? Please.
« on: Oct 9th, 2006, 6:10pm » |
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Got these shots of a Dove in Lamma, wondering if it is just a juvenile Spotted Dove or immature Red Turtle Dove or else ?
Lamma Island
08/10/06
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Mike Kilburn
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Re: Dove ID ? Please.
« Reply #1 on: Oct 10th, 2006, 7:41am » |
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This is a Red Turtle Dove - it is too grey for Spotted.
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Re: Dove ID ? Please.
« Reply #2 on: Oct 10th, 2006, 8:46am » |
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on Oct 9th, 2006, 6:10pm, HarryLi wrote:Got these shots of a Dove in Lamma, wondering if it is just a juvenile Spotted Dove or immature Red Turtle Dove or else ?
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Hi Harry,
Please don't forget to mention the date of your photo.
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HarryLi
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Re: Dove ID ? Please.
« Reply #3 on: Oct 10th, 2006, 10:30am » |
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Sorry, I am new here. Date added.
Mike, thanks for your confirmation. Actually, it was the eye colour of this bird that makes me think that it is a Red Turtle Dove. Was it actually a clue as well ??
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Japanbirder
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Re: Dove ID ? Please.
« Reply #5 on: Oct 10th, 2006, 10:03pm » |
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Primaries and tail pattern fit an Oriental Turtle Dove, possibly a 1st winter bird, as there appears to be only a small patch on the neck.
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Mike Kilburn
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Re: Dove ID ? Please.
« Reply #6 on: Oct 11th, 2006, 12:18am » |
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While this bird shows SOME of the features of both the species mentioned it shows ALL the features of Red Turtle Dove.
OTD has a scalloped rufous pattern on right across while this bird is uniform grey. This bird has a black collar. OTD has a more complex pattern on the neck spots, which do not join on the back of the neck , or none at al in young birds
Collared Dove, as your pic shows very nicely, is a much longer-tailed species.
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Re: Dove ID ? Please.
« Reply #7 on: Oct 11th, 2006, 10:58am » |
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In addition Oriental Turtle Dove would also show broad white tips to all the tail feathers; this bird has unmarked central tail feathers. Collared Dove would never show rufous fringes to the primaries like this bird. This is certainly a juvenile Red Turtle Dove.
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Re: Dove ID ? Please.
« Reply #8 on: Oct 12th, 2006, 3:39pm » |
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Thanks all for the identifications tips. Its a shame we can't catalogue all this tips and have them readily available of the BBS
Bob
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Re: Dove ID ? Please.
« Reply #9 on: Oct 12th, 2006, 10:38pm » |
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I will have to check out my Oriental Turtle Doves more carefully! As well as any pics I am looking at on the net!
After I posted my remarks I saw plenty of Oriental Turtle Doves that day and realized I was wrong!
I fit were an Oriental turtle Dove it would as Paul said show white on all the tail feathers, have more scalloped reddish-brown feathering on the coverts etc. and have a more developed black and white patterned neck patch (and not collar) as well as being brownish and not greyish in coloration overall.
Still, got a better explanation from Mike and Paul!
Sorry for causing any confusion!
Sean
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